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oh forgot about ars. a very cynical crowd

what is it exactly? jealousy i think. plus then add Elon hate. but now Google wants to do it too.

i mean why wouldn;t you want sci-fi things taking shape?


no you didnt, i read most of your comments in this thread. very valuable even if little optimistic.

>> The current plan is for 250 kW peak with 160 m^2 radiators. It will weigh about 4 tons so you can pack 25 on one flight of Starship.

>> Deploy 4,000 and you're at 1 GW. That's 160 launches.


> if you believe Elon.

Why wouldn;t you? he delivered on almost everything he promised, just the timeline was a lot later.

we are talking sci-fi things here, these will take time but can be done.

would you rather we bury our heads in the sand and never innovated beyond basics?


just to add a few more reasons not mentioned on X why they chose this place:

Cooling is a major factor. Ulanqab's average temperature is about 4.3°C, enabling free air cooling nearly 10 months a year and very low PUE around 1.1.

Even more decisive is cheap, abundant power—largely wind and solar plus coal—at roughly half the price of eastern China. Add vast open land, dedicated low-latency fiber to Beijing (~2-5 ms),


It actually abuts Hebei which puts it in striking distance of Beijing. I wonder about water though, it’s just grassland so there can’t be much to spare. It would be like building a data center in eastern Oregon.

I thought water is for cooling. They dont need it if its naturally cooled.

Or use closed-loop cooling.

The enormous water usage values are generally about powerplants providing the power, and even the better reports on that include water use by hydroelectric plants - which makes sense in context of the report, but that context nor sense isn't understood by journalists and hype-men quoting just "trillions of gallons a year, more than X cities"

DCs just don’t use that much water.

muse spark 1.3 contribs cache read is $0.002 btw (~220x diff).

Is anyone treating Meta's offerings as a serious contender in any real use case? Zuck and co are burning cash hard to try to get people using their models after falling off the wagon for a couple years. It would be wild if those prices aren't total loss leaders.

Output tokens from Intelligence Index:

- grok 4.6 (xhigh): 97M (for 44 score)

- grok 4.7 (xhigh): 240M (for 46 score)


looks like token efficient/verbosity took a big hit.

Output tokens from Intelligence Index:

- grok 4.6 (xhigh): 97M (for 44 score)

- grok 4.7 (xhigh): 240M (for 46 score)


which is crazy because this was grok's competitive advantage, worse than OpenAI models but better than everything else, now it's less efficient than Opus or Fable 5.1

nice project.

some benchmarks would be nice.

also consider adding some even smaller models too: minicpm, lfm


Thank you for the feedback!

I'll definitely look at adding both of those!


minorities are the loudest.

truth is its quite difficult to function today without a smartphone.

banks, uber, food etc etc

edit: remember iphone mini? so "many" asked for it and apple finally made it. it was a flop.


I think the iPhone mini sold 5-10 million units per year. I don't view that as a flop, and I don't think it merits sarcasm around how "many" people wanted it.

People often use this a argument against small phones like this wouldn't be amazing for any company outside apple or Samsung

If small phones were a widely popular thing then there would be a company making them successfully or it would’ve been greater than 5% of iPhone sales. An individual company with zero brand power or presence wouldn’t have any decent sales. This is not even considering that the value proposition would be way worse than just buying a slightly bigger and significantly better phone with more R&D put behind it.

The reality is 90% or more of people don’t care about that or even think about it, this sentiment only exists in online tech enthusiast spaces. If you’re in HN you’re as non-representative of the average consumer as one can get.


5% of iPhone sales is an enormous amount of revenue. Billions right?

Bring back OS licensing, Apple!

I think you should always include the iPhone SE in those numbers. It had similar dimensions, was cheaper and even more minimal. If it weren't for the SE, I would have picked a Mini right away.

Banks for what?

Uber can be done totally headless, without a screen?

Food? Get outta here.


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