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We need a national law and FTC teeth to say "The price advertised is the final, final, all-in price you pay" and the right to demand the product be delivered at that price if you were advertised a price. This should include limits on dynamic pricing which "whoops the price changed for the worse between when we showed it to you and when you drove to the store..."

As an example related to Renting. I once saw a place advertised for rent at a price in my budget. Booked a showing the next day. The dynamic pricing increased it several hundred dollars above my budget. The land lord (company) would not honor the price I booked my showing at. I immediately left saying I do not do business with such dishonest practices.

We also need to ban using the renters as a captured audience for products.

Edit to add:

When I last rented from a big corp I got:

$5 a month semi-mandatory fee on automated payments through their app (as if them handling a check would actually cost them less than an automated payment)

Mandatory internet package through a single provider.

"Resort fee" of $30 a month which was more than the cost of a proximal gym providing 10x the equipment.

Move in charge - $50 just to move in as if I was going to rent but not move in?

Move out charge - $50 just to move out as if I was going to not move out when my lease ended?

I also think rent raises after a year's lease should be limited . Why is the 13th month 100% more as if I'm not a long term renter? It makes some sense for short term rentals but this isnt a 1 month rental, it's a 1 month extension to a long term rent.

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There's nothing more American than not knowing the price you're going to pay for something until you have to pay it. This applies to everything from income taxes to health care to big ticket purchases like homes and cars, to airline tickets, to cell phone and cable service, all the way down to restaurants with tips and service fees and everything on the store shelf, where sales tax is not included in the price of the good. Somehow the USA has normalized this throughout its entire culture.

Because of innumeracy. You can hide a business opportunity in basic arithmetics. If it's "too hard" to calculate people give up.

I’m not an American, but here in Canada there are a lot of extra fees and such where I live as well.

I don’t believe the problem is purely innumeracy on the consumer’s part.

If companies clearly stated “A(B + C)” as a price, even people with poor math skills would understand that the price is not “B”.

But it’s more like the price is advertised as “B” and “A(B+C)” only appears in fine print or seconds before payment.

Your comment says you can “hide a business opportunity”. I would instead call that “being dishonest”.


In canada on many products the taxes are hidden in the shelf / advertised price iirc Gas, Alcohol, and Tobacco products have this feature. IMO it should be everything (still show the breakdown on the receipt, but instead of advertising the sub-total advertise the final price)

This isn't about math being too hard. It's about companies deliberately hiding and obfuscating what you owe.

Try this. My cell phone service is AT&T's "Value Plus VL" service with three lines. Tell me my exact monthly bill down to the cent. Do all the Internet searching you need and all the math you need to.

In a world where companies weren't actively hiding what you pay, you would easily be able to do this.


It reminds me of my first time in Europe as an American. You go to a cafe, look at the prices, and know exactly how much money you are going to be handing them. It felt like magic because I couldn't remember the last time I paid just the advertised price on anything.

Now, unfortunately in places like the UK, tips are becoming more frequent as well as a discretionary 12.5% service charge at restaurants. And everything online has a convenience fee.

I wish governments would get serious about price transparency. The solution is quite simple, but I fear that with algorithmic pricing things are going to be getting much worse in the short term.


I don't have any hope for broad legislation that affects all businesses. Americans are so used to + tax + tips + convenience fees that doing anything else would hurt at both ends: consumers will claim inflation (oh that 8.99+30% burger is now 11.50? Tragedy) and businesses will mourn the loss of scam tactics that lets them earn more.

Retailer here. I would absolutely love all inclusive pricing legislation. Since we're not trying to screw our customers (we're a co-op, so our customers are also our owners), I'd love to be on a fairer playing field with frontline pricing from the businesses trying to lie, cheat, and steal their way to a higher margin.

Sadly for me you are the minority. A lot of businesses will try their best to squeeze their customers, see also the very popular shrinkflation.

I am in an homogeneous country where taxes are the same everywhere and tips are not expected, but more and more businesses are printing their menus with +tax+service attached, suddenly hiding that their prices are actually 20% higher than listed. Completely unnecessary and sometimes fraudulent (oops forgot to mention it on the menu)


What happens when the government raises one of its taxes or imposes a new one?

The same thing that happens when suppliers raise prices. The retailer is free to raise prices.

What they shouldn't be able to do is to hide the price increase until you're at the till.


At most you'd need a ~3 month grace period that covers only that exact difference. Beyond that they adapt

Until Congressional and Executive branch regime change, you should expect city and state efforts to be more effective in the interim. Focus there until regime change and federal change is possible, as it currently is not possible. Death of junk fees via "death by a thousand cuts." Companies can keep up with federal lobbying, they cannot keep up with cities and states all at once. See: data centers and ALPRs.

"Regime change" will have to be deeper than a switch of the usual parties—think what the DSA are proposing, a complete overhaul of the Constitution.

Lina Khan was very effective under the last administration, which is why she works for Mamdani now in NYC.

Mamdani taps Lina Khan and Tony Shorris for key New York economic posts - https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2026/jul/22/lina-khan-ny... - July 22nd, 2026

> think what the DSA are proposing, a complete overhaul of the Constitution.

Strongly agree, onward, elections keep happening, electorate turnover is continuous (and a likely component of why NYC and Seattle have DSA mayors, and Providence, Rhode Island is about to have one).

Citations:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48950696

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48788820

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46529387




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